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The GOP Soul Loathes Latinos

GOP Rep. Steve King of Iowa:

I'm wondering if we look at the map of Congressman [Raul] Grijalva's (D-AZ) congressional district if we haven't already ceded that component of Arizona to Mexico judging by the voice that comes out of him [. . .]

GOP Rep. Duncan Hunter of California:

"Would you support deportation of natural-born American citizens that are the children of illegal aliens," Hunter was asked. "I would have to, yes," Hunter said. "... We simply cannot afford what we're doing right now," he said. "... It takes more than just walking across the border to become an American citizen. It's what's in our souls. ..."

The GOP soul reveals a complete loathing of Latinos.

Speaking for me only

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    So Tancredo is the GOP voice of reason? (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by observed on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 02:58:26 PM EST


    F*ck (5.00 / 5) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:39:31 PM EST
    The hate is amazing.

    Parent
    IMO (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:46:24 PM EST
    the upfront openness of it is amazing.  the hate is nothing new.

    its becoming a cottage industry.

    Parent

    You're right (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:50:06 PM EST
    I often say (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 04:18:47 PM EST
    I am embarrassed to be a human.  I guess I really mean white human.

    as far as puking on their shoes, I say aim higher.
    always.


    Parent

    Truly creepy stuff (none / 0) (#65)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 06:55:03 PM EST
    Straight out of the Nazi playbook (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by mexboy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 04:09:03 PM EST
    I suppose these people call themselves good Christians who follow Jesus' command to love they neighbor as thyself.

    Parent
    Or we could bar code them. (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Radix on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 04:54:36 PM EST
    That should make the Evangelicals pause.

    Parent
    Buwhahahahaha (none / 0) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:00:13 PM EST
    On the forehead, then anyone advocating for, condoning, or giving a pass by ignorning such a practice would be in league with you know who.....The Beast :)  Yes, it is true, I was once religiously abused by Evangelicals as a child.  Does it show much?

    Parent
    It would make for some interesting (none / 0) (#48)
    by Radix on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:03:18 PM EST
    discussions, as to why doing it to non-whites, isn't evil or anything. :)

    Parent
    If some of my old friends (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:09:20 PM EST
    were here, I swear to God we would hit the late night small minded bar circuit around here with a sharpie and intermitten sobbing....supposedly just escaped from the FEMA facility needing a stiff drink and a ride.  The freaky South is nothing if not paranoid and I don't mind helping them if there is an upside for me :)

    Parent
    That's reminiscent of the famous (none / 0) (#25)
    by observed on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:41:57 PM EST
    National Review bigot, who everybody knows, and who died recently---Buckley.
    How about tattooing all the Republican asses with "bigot"?

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    Buckley (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:49:01 PM EST
    was not a bigot.  he was a conservative when that name meant something.  I agreed with almost nothing that he said but godIFonly the people being talked about in this thread had one ten millionth of his intellect or dignity.

    Parent
    Nah, as I posted in the (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by brodie on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:18:45 PM EST
    "When Whites ..." thread just now, Buckley did indeed display bigotry and insensitivity to minorities constantly.  Lots of stuff in this article from FAIR upon his passing (also noting the MSM's too-gentle assessment of his very mixed career).

    Wanted to tattoo AIDS victims, pro-apartheid South Africa, anti-voting rights for blacks (presumably upon passing a rigorous "literacy" test), pro-dictators like Franco and Pinochet, and so on.

    The Iowa GOP office seeker who wants to microchip people he thinks are illegals is just a higher tech version of the Buckley solution to another problem.  Very much in the GOP tradition of isolating and discriminating against a group despised by the Repubs.  

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    Buckley was a bigot (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by rea on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:21:09 PM EST
    "The central question that emerges . . . is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not prevail numerically? The sobering answer is Yes - the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is a fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists."--Buckley in 1957

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    I hate to mention it (none / 0) (#57)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:33:40 PM EST
    but around this same time Robert Byrd shared this view.


    Parent
    And this proves Buckley was not a racist (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by observed on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:57:57 PM EST
    how, exactly???


    Parent
    have you noticed (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 06:00:13 PM EST
    Im ignoring you?

    Parent
    The quotes from Buckley (none / 0) (#72)
    by christinep on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 08:01:03 PM EST
    really do speak for themselves. My take on William Buckley had always been that he was a wealthy person who had a privileged background and seemed obtuse to other realities around him. The 1957 quote evidences a racist bent. Perhaps, he changed and grew with his years.... It does appear that people can escape a background trap. I choose to believe that Senator Byrd has, for instance.  I wonder if William Buckley grew in that way? What do you think Capt Howdy?

    Parent
    Um, is that some lame attempt at (none / 0) (#73)
    by observed on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 08:09:17 PM EST
    District 9  style humor?
    Lol

    I'll pay more attention to your replies to my posts in the future, in order to notice how much you are ignoring me.


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    Robert Byrd (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Zorba on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 07:08:23 PM EST
    renounced his racist, bigoted views.  Did Buckley ever do so?  This isn't a snark, I'm curious to know, because I'm certainly not aware of it if he did.

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    Buckley was supremely bigoted. (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by observed on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:36:48 PM EST
    I can't believe you have an ounce of respect for him, especially given his remarks about gays.
    The man was not 1/100th as intelligent as he thought he was.

    Parent
    frt this opinion is, (none / 0) (#51)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:13:23 PM EST
    um, revised and expanded in another thread.

    still, its easy to have a higher opinion of Buckley than any living conservative.

    Parent

    So the question is (none / 0) (#83)
    by Socraticsilence on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 12:37:04 PM EST
    should we hope this guy wins his primary?

    Parent
    Wow (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 02:59:59 PM EST
    They are coming out of the closet big-time.

    Team R... (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:02:03 PM EST
    acting like Team D...snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...the senate will remain in Dem hands if they keep this up.

    At least I hope so...otherwise we really are too far gone down the road to tyranny.

    Note to Duncan... (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:04:47 PM EST
    if what is in your soul is what makes one an American, I revoke my citizenship.

    Well said, Kdog (none / 0) (#26)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:42:18 PM EST
    Very well said.

    Parent
    Then I'd sound like... (none / 0) (#70)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 07:42:53 PM EST
    this Duncan arsehat...but I hear ya brother.

    Parent
    They need to read the 14th Amendment (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:04:51 PM EST
    . . .slowly.

    with a dictionary. (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:08:41 PM EST
    heh (none / 0) (#10)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:10:03 PM EST
    You ask too much AG... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:10:16 PM EST
    they can't get past the 4th.

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    Touche Don... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:48:31 PM EST
    the right to worship JC while watching Fox News as they clean their rifle...all they needed to hear...the rest is liberal elitist mumbo-jumbo:)

    Parent
    They want to amend the Fourteenth (none / 0) (#16)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:21:00 PM EST
    Amendment to do away with birthright citizenship.

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    As a son of two immigrants (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Raskolnikov on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:57:16 PM EST
    And as such a full fledged US citizen, this idea seems insane and un-American and I must have been living under a rock because it wasn't until recently that I was even aware people discuss this kind of drivel...truly outrageous.

    Parent
    It is a pet idea of right wingnutia (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 06:56:19 PM EST
    Our immigrant heritage is (none / 0) (#87)
    by MyLeftMind on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 12:51:37 PM EST
    one of the principal strengths of our nation. The multicultural mix from hundreds of years of immigration has resulted in a healthy, diverse population. We don't lose that diversity by selectively limiting immigration, we enhance it.

    The 14th Amendment was designed to clarify that children of freed slaves were citizens. It was not designed to entice foreigners to have a child on American soil to bypass normal immigration law. The writers of the 14th Amendment could not possibly have foreseen a global environment where a quick flight from Asia to California ("maternity tourism") or a hike from border countries to the US to have a baby on US soil would entitle that child to benefits their foreign parents have never paid for. The birthright citizenship policy is easily abused, and creates conflict in states where taxpayers can be forced to pay for the foreign mother's medical costs for the birth, and the child's complete upbringing for 18 years with Medicaid, Section 8 housing, Social Security, foster care and even free college. (In some states, the foster care money is paid to the grandparents of this "instant citizen.") This isn't an issue of racism, it's an economic issue. Some estimates put the number of "anchor babies" born here in 2008 at 400,000! Surely the designers of the 14th Amendment didn't envision a problem of that scale.

    Birthright citizenship is still a good idea even in this day and age, but limiting it to children of citizens and legal immigrants would eliminate the "anchor baby" dynamic, and would limit the GOP's use of this issue to enrage their base. Aside from issues of racism, the idea that someone can break the law to come here to have a baby, and the public is stuck raising their kid, or even that their kid can access benefits even if raised back in their parents' country of origin (eg: , college admission priority and funding).

    Refining the birthright citizenship policy would enhance our country's diversity by allowing immigration policy to work as intended: selecting potential immigrants based on their individual strengths and origins, instead of their parent's subversive actions. More importantly, it minimizes a hot button issue the GOP uses to motivate their base.

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    pathetic (none / 0) (#88)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 02:10:51 PM EST
    but limiting it to children of citizens and legal immigrants would eliminate the "anchor baby" dynamic, and would limit the GOP's use of this issue to enrage their base. Aside from issues of racism, the idea that someone can break the law to come here to have a baby, and the public is stuck raising their kid, or even that their kid can access benefits even if raised back in their parents' country of origin (eg: , college admission priority and funding).

    please.  can we stop worrying about the "enraged republican base" fer gods sake.  get used to the idea they are enraged.  they will be enraged no matter what anyone does.  if its not this it will be some other stupid made up thing.  who cares.

    this is a long recitation of republican talking points.

    TIRED republican talking points.


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    Thanks for making my point. (none / 0) (#89)
    by MyLeftMind on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 02:42:00 PM EST
    How to handle dissention at TalkLeft:
    Step 1) Insult the poster. Call them names if possible.
    Step 2) Minimize their argument.
    Step 3) Call their ideas right wing or Republican talking points.
    Step 4) Ignore reality and pretend that Democratic policies are NOT what motivates moderates to vote for the opposition.

    Yup, that worked well in Massachusetts. Let's pretend our Party can give amnesty to illegal aliens and moderates and Independents will still happily vote for our candidates.


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    pfft "dissention"? (none / 0) (#90)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 02:49:11 PM EST
    you know what, in my experience if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck.

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    Ha, Big Tent my butt (none / 0) (#92)
    by MyLeftMind on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 03:04:33 PM EST
    Thanks for making my point again.

    You don't get to decide whether or not I'm a Democrat or a liberal. If you don't like my opinion about not allowing foreigners to utilize our country's resources against the wishes of a large part of the electorate, try arguing against it instead of insulting me.

    That's why our Party fails so often and why we can't enact reasonable and sensible policies. But then you were someone who stood to profit from Obama's "Insurance Industry Profit Protection and Enhancement Act," weren't you...?

    Parent

    You demonstrate your point(s) quite well. (none / 0) (#102)
    by Jack E Lope on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 08:02:32 AM EST
    If one is outnumbered, play the victim card:
    1. Claim name-calling
    2. Claim they're minimizing your argument
    3. Claim that the congruence of your opinions with those of any other entity are pure coincidence, and that being associated with such an entity makes you the victim
    4. Claim that your opponents don't see the real truth.

    Extra credit is given for capping it off with a sarcastically-worded example.

    Parent
    Interesting, Duncan, (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:21:00 PM EST
    because if there is anything in the American DNA it is that we come from people that uprooted themselves and crossed borders for a better life. That is what is in my soul anyway.

    Speaking only about (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:22:29 PM EST
    those of us who were not uprooted by force, of course.

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    When you got on the ship (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 04:15:13 PM EST
    who knew why or how you came to be there?  There you were.....whew. We have some sketchy evidence that the origin of my maiden name was on the lam running like hell.  It was either him or his brother, we don't know exactly which one we sprouted from :)

    Parent
    Hell yeah... (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:26:07 PM EST
    me thinks somebody needs to visit the Statue of Liberty for a reminder of the American soul.

    Somebody check that clown's papers!...:)

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    The depth of their disdain for Latinos (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:23:02 PM EST
    truly surprises me.....It is bad politics, and one would think that would be enough for them to at least pretend to like Latinos....

    But they can't help themselves...

    Oh come on--really? (none / 0) (#67)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 07:01:40 PM EST
    I grew up in a heavily Latino city and have Latino in-laws......

    I just don't get this antipathy....or even this sense that Latinos are this strange, different "other."....Just people.  Normal people....

    I guess unfamiliarity really does breed contempt or fear....

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    Ignore the subject line (none / 0) (#69)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 07:09:11 PM EST
    of my last post--I misread it as having the word "not" in there....

    How threatened some must truly feel to get all worked up over haivng Latinos immigrants being treated with diginity.

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    Yes, it is about what is in our souls (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:36:00 PM EST
    With our hearts brimming full and pumping white man's burden scumbag slime.  My family crossed a border a 150 years before other people, my soul is.......?  And my Latino Aunt....I think her family crossed a border before there even was one to cross and there was even a United States of America.  Her family has lived in the Southwest area of the U.S. since Santa Anna ran the fricken place.  Feck, I'm glad she let me in.

    With Grassley and King (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Raskolnikov on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:47:40 PM EST
    I'm almost ashamed to be Iowan sometimes.  Living in Iowa City (one of the more liberal and educated cities in the US) one forgets that some of our elected representatives are so reactionary.  Shame on you Rep. King for representing us so poorly.

    Pryor and Lincoln (none / 0) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:56:05 PM EST
    I feel your pain

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    ditto (none / 0) (#64)
    by desmoinesdem on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 06:15:38 PM EST
    but they do give me a lot of good material at Bleeding Heartland.


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    King also (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Socraticsilence on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 12:47:03 PM EST
    asked if Raul Grijalva represents Mexico? I mean this stuff is just open now- I'm not shocked by its existence but I have to admit the openess of it is scary- I mean they generally rely on dog whistles but this is about as open as you can get short of showing up to vote in full Klan Regalia.  

    Grijalva's a better man than me- if King basically accused me of treason you might have seen another Sumner moment.

    Geez what a R bashing group conga line (1.00 / 0) (#39)
    by BTAL on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 04:27:49 PM EST
    Guess if one would go out and selectively collect some outrageous D quotes one could make the case that D's loath [insert selected group here] in their souls.

    And to read some of the comments and terms used in this thread, the hypocrisy of "the hate the R's possess is impressive.

    Speaking for myself only.

    Knock thyself out (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 04:55:11 PM EST
    Guess if one would go out and selectively collect some outrageous D quotes one could make the case that D's loath [insert selected group here] in their souls.


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    Hmmm (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 04:37:48 PM EST
    From Reuters
    Passing an overhaul that offered a path to citizenship for many of the 10.8 million illegal immigrants in the United States would consolidate support for Democrats among Hispanics, the country's largest minority, but would run the risk of energizing Republican opposition to Democratic lawmakers in swing states and districts.

    GOP opposition, and outrage has been a faint whimper... You in fact are supporting Brewers hat tip to Joe Arpaio..

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    apart from anything else (none / 0) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 04:40:37 PM EST
    how could you not be moved by the shear volume of stuff coming from the right?

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    It's ironic, because as I understand it, (none / 0) (#2)
    by observed on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 02:59:20 PM EST
    those immigrants are more likely to be religious and to have conservative ideas about sex.


    But not as likely to be rich (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:02:04 PM EST
    Which matters a lot more.

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    Well (none / 0) (#9)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:09:34 PM EST
    Obviously these freaks believe that their race card will keep them in office. Bad bet, imo.

    I find this (none / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:11:21 PM EST
    baffling.  do they really think this is a good idea?  do they have polling or something that tells them this will somehow benefit them?

    its a little easier to understand with house members because the have districts in which they are usually safe but are they completely unaware of how this looks for the party?

    or are they just as stupid as they sound?

     

    maybe they just believe it (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by CST on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:14:03 PM EST
    to be true.

    And they just don't know any better to shut up about it.

    Think "macaca".  Some people are very stuck in their own personal bubble.

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    that was choice "d" (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:15:19 PM EST
    I am beginning to go with "d"

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    A-yep. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Kimberley on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 03:25:58 PM EST
    It's what's in our souls.

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    Short term gains (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by christinep on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 08:13:33 PM EST
    Republicans know demographics do not favor their approach. They know. They may just be reprising an emotional wedge issue as in the past, and expecting it to play the same. If this anger-agains-aliens motif works in some places to energize their base, they get a Congressman here & there. I'm wondering, tho, whether the old technique won't also work to energize Latinos/as as well as Democrats in general.

    Parent
    "The GOP Soul Loathes Latinos" (none / 0) (#42)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 04:46:42 PM EST
    well, that is certainly the salacious slab of red meat it was intended to be, but I think the truth is that fundamentally the GOP is concerned with illegal immigration and the problems resulting from it.

    Red Meat (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 04:52:35 PM EST
    The red meat is the Arizona law, and GOP anti-immigrant fearmongering. There is a loooong history of using immigrant fear to stir up voters, particularly those immigrants from Mexico.

    Most GOP voters are frothing over this. That is where the red meat feeding frenzy originates from.
     

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    I know, I know: "He started it!" (none / 0) (#44)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 04:53:46 PM EST
    My kids say it all the time.

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    You Are Kidding (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:04:41 PM EST
    Do you say the same thing to jews when they utter the phrase "we will never forget" when confronting the ugly rise of fascism and anti-semitism?

    The vandals who defiled this cemetery obviously loathe Jews.

    Haaretz

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    Good god, why do I respond to you. (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:15:22 PM EST
    because (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:22:07 PM EST
    he always has a point

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    Ya, that must be it. (none / 0) (#56)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 05:28:33 PM EST
    are you kidding? (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by lilburro on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 08:41:11 AM EST
    fundamentally the GOP is concerned with illegal immigration and the problems resulting from it.

    were you asleep during the Sotomayor confirmation hearings?

    Whether you think some GOP ideas on immigration are effective or not, there are way too many "bad apples" in the GOP when it comes to respecting Latinos for me to take the party as a whole seriously on this issue.

    When Palin says "Governor Jan Brewer did what she had to do as the CEO of that state to help protect the citizens of her state," of course she doesn't think of the degradation and humiliation that the bill presents Latino citizens of Arizona.  And why would she?

    And on TL you're going to have to look far and wide to find people who support a policy of carrying your papers with you all the time to justify your existence in this country.

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    That may be so my friend... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 07:53:08 PM EST
    but some lawmakers got a real d*ck way of going about it.

    This is a hot one, for sure...gets me fired up.  Have a burger:)

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    And some state lawmakers have been d*cked (none / 0) (#75)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 11:56:28 PM EST
    by the feds so many friggin' times, and have so many constituents with perfectly reasonable and understandable gripes climbing right up their friggin' *ssholes, that they just say f*ck it.

    I don't for a second think what those lawmakers are doing is constitutional, moral, nor practical, even, however I also don't for a second think they are somehow the sub-human satanic c*cksuckers that many here on TL apparently do think they are.

    Why is it, for example, that so many here on TL seem to be perfectly able to rationalize the actions of the, thankfully few, Muslim extremists, but are so unwilling to give anywhere even close to equal empathy and understanding to AZ?

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    Wow, Sarc (none / 0) (#76)
    by squeaky on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 12:01:06 AM EST
    I do not think that I have ever seen you go off with so many obscenities in one comment before...

    Everything oK?

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    Not sure I've ever written an obscenity (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 12:11:18 AM EST
    in any comment ever before. But then again, I've never posted after splitting a few knuckles while changing a flat tire on my wife's car in the pitch dark before. Ah well, it feels pretty good, TL has taught me well!

    But, more to the point, what in god's name are you doing posting on TL at 1 in the morning?

    Everything Ok with you?

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    Not My Bedtime Yet (none / 0) (#78)
    by squeaky on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 12:25:02 AM EST
    I do not go gentle into the good night...

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    I'm very familiar with the phrase, (none / 0) (#82)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 12:36:43 PM EST
    no linkage necessary.

    That phrase was repeated quite often by my bi-polar mom when she was in one of her manic "I'm-going-to-change-the-world-and-by-god-take-no-prisoners" phases.


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    Wow (none / 0) (#91)
    by squeaky on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 02:58:37 PM EST
    I did not know that Dylan Thomas was spontaneously recited by people when they were having psychotic episodes..

    Been around lots of those episodes, never heard this poem or any other poet's poem recited during a breakdown. I have heard original poetry, if you could call it that, from psychotics, though. Usually it is quite incomprehensible, at least to me.

    But I will keep it in mind next time I see someone having a mental attack, maybe I need to listen more closely.

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    Probably not most people, (none / 0) (#100)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 04:35:00 PM EST
    but certainly by my mom. Quite literate, she was. And quite the night-owl when manic, leading to her use of that phrase...

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    Probably the same reason... (none / 0) (#80)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 08:04:37 AM EST
    some in Arizona seem so lacking in empathy right now...we're tragically flawed beasts, all of us.

    When you step over the line to actually denying sacred rights, that's taking it too far.  It's one thing to have a negative opinion of a group of people, quite another to take it too negative physical action...imo.

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    Is This The GOP's New Southern Strategy? (none / 0) (#79)
    by john horse on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 06:03:00 AM EST
    Speaking of the "GOP soul", the GOP sold their soul to the devil in the 70's by adopting Nixon's Southern Strategy - that is, they became the party of Southern white bigots.  The South which was at one time the most Democratic political region in the country is now the most Republican.

    I am not a Republican, but if this is their strategy, all I can say to Republicans is be careful what you ask for.  

    It was a viable if morally odious (none / 0) (#85)
    by Socraticsilence on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 12:41:54 PM EST
    startegy in the 70s and 80s, to double down on it now is insane, I mean it might work for another decade or so (with decreasing returns) but it basically condemns them to permanent minority status after that (and I don't mean that in a triumphal- Dems are the shiznit kind of way, but rather in a "Latino's aren't going to support a party that openly loathes them and questions their Americanness" )

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    Those noisy, white clots (none / 0) (#101)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 06:14:08 PM EST
    of riled up folk, ie Teapartys, seem to be giving  some strategists on the Right the misguided hope that was once a "Southern Strategy" response, is becoming a reactionary mass movement spreading like wildfire.

    People like Brooks are just a little ahead of the curve in seeing this idea as a non-starter and are bemoaning and (in print) distancing themselves from this "two GOPs" phenomenon. Of course, come the next election, in lieu of Jeb Bush running, dollars-to-doughnuts there'll be a Teaparty-friendly type in there as someone's running mate.

     

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    They actually attack (none / 0) (#84)
    by Socraticsilence on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 12:39:25 PM EST
    the 14th Amendment, between that and their love of the confederacy, I have to wonder if the GOP is even proud of Lincoln anymore- I mean if you were in Bama or Georgia would the local party head even answer to the "Party of Lincoln" label?